Posts by William Penwell

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Awful WTBTS " infomercial " funeral service talk

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

w77 6/1 pp.

346-347 mourning and funeralsfor whom?

a funeral or memorial service?

William Penwell

A friend of mine from work went to a JW funeral and got called on shortly afterward, out in the ministry. Apparently his wife had a conversation with someone at the funeral, which they mistook for interest in their religion. They then proceeded to get their names and address off of the guest registry.

That is pretty tacky but I wouldn't put anything past some dubs. I remember years ago some dub and my ex wife were going through the local news paper obituaries and writting letters to the nest of kin. They stopped after one elder told them that was not approprate.

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Awful WTBTS " infomercial " funeral service talk

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

w77 6/1 pp.

346-347 mourning and funeralsfor whom?

a funeral or memorial service?

William Penwell

As far as the discourse is concerned , a lot depends on the speaker. I knew an elder ( dead now ) who used to give really good funeral talks. He loosely used the WTBTS outline but made it personal & tailored the talk depending on the audience - eg if there were a lot of "worldly" relatives there he weaved in a lot of the history of the deceased - conversely if it was a mainly JW audience with few worldly people there ( eg a Bethelite or a JW with mainly JW family ) he stuck closer to the Society outline.

I understand that the elder giving the funeral sermon has to cover a certain outline but they could be a little creative and bring it back to the deceased instead of quoting one scripture after the other. Just comes across as uninspired and tacky.

I do remember a few dire JW funeral talks though. One about 30 years ago was for something of a marginal JW in our congregation who was a bit of a creepy guy and would probably today be regarded as a marginal paedophile. All the kids my age just regarded him as a smelly old man who was overly friendly and one to avoid - most congregations had them in those days. The speaker ( who hardly knew him ) stuck rigidly to the outline & kept saying how people should copy the "fine example" of this JW. A few eyebrows were raised and I could see a few of the relatives weren't impressed.

We had a few of those in the congreations I went to. Now we these types would be labelled as a pedo to keep away from. I Iremember one old fellow would always give the children candy. Maybe inocent but you never know.

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Slip Sliding Away :I went to a 1 day assembly-Why?

by MissFit in

jw
friends

i have not attended anything jw related for over a year.... until last week when i went to our one day convention.. why you ask?.

i can do what i want i'm a grown adult.. ok...ok...so my jw childhood friend who i have not seen forever, came by for a visit.. i mentally went through the check list:.

is she pioneering and need extra time?.

William Penwell

Last time I went was a few years ago to take my elderly mother to the memorial as she needed a ride. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like for loved ones.

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Awful WTBTS " infomercial " funeral service talk

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

w77 6/1 pp.

346-347 mourning and funeralsfor whom?

a funeral or memorial service?

William Penwell

Theredeemer, You know if your mom left the Kingdum Hall with any money they wouldn't refuse that. I know one dub woman that didn't leave her children any of her money because none of them were not good dubs but left it all to the WT.

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Shootings in multiple locations in Canada's capital today - Wed Oct 22/14

by Heaven in

one soldier is shot at war memorial.

multiple shooters suspected.

national post has live updates:.

William Penwell

So we have now joined the most oppressive regime of the 20th Century in its new Holy War against the Middle East, now that the red Commie threat has been milked for all it was worth. Thanks, Steven Harper, Brian Mulroney, and all other sycophants who join the Elite (that is, the Bushes, the Bankers and the SAUDIS - let's not forget our "bestest Islamic friends") in their ongoing endeavour to keep us enslaved to their work-slave system.

If I recall it was Jean Chretien that refused to send our troops into GW war. My take on this is we know there is awful things that go on in this world under repressive regime, some mind you have been backed by the US but it is time we stop acting as the world’s police force. No matter what we do there will still be these horrible things happening. If these countries want democracy, let them fight it out themselves, why should we send our young men and women in to do their dirty work. I really do not think they are ready to embrace our democratic principles. All the west has done is destabilize those countries.

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Shootings in multiple locations in Canada's capital today - Wed Oct 22/14

by Heaven in

one soldier is shot at war memorial.

multiple shooters suspected.

national post has live updates:.

William Penwell

Do we know for sure if it was a Muslim that did this? Even though it sounds like a Islamic extremists work, lets not jump to conclusions before we get all the facts.

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Shootings in multiple locations in Canada's capital today - Wed Oct 22/14

by Heaven in

one soldier is shot at war memorial.

multiple shooters suspected.

national post has live updates:.

William Penwell

I just watched the news coverage here on CBC and all they can confirm is one gun man that shot and killed a reserve at the war memorial. They think he ran into the parliment building and was shot dead there. It wouldn't surprise me if it was some radical muslim but lets wait till all the information is made available.

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

William Penwell

Second, I am angry at ME for being such a gullible dumbass. The final conclusion has to be that "the buck stops here". I'm at fault for buying it all at face value. Sure, as a born-in I can try to say it's my parents fault, but at some point, somewhere along the line, I have to accept the responsibility.

Like myself who was born into it, we were all conditioned from birth. Yes I had some doubts even at an early age but we were told that we were wrong and to blindly follow this oranization, so it is not all that easy to just walk away. It is admitting that everything we believe in is wrong. It takes years to get over this mind condioning. You are the strong one in your family that said this is wrong regardless of the consequences and left the religion. I think there is many weak ones that just go along with BS because they don't want to rock the boat and stay with the status quo.

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

William Penwell

It happened in various stages. I learned everything in the late 90s and was just a teenager. I would argue and argue with my mom. Eventually I almost ended up in a judicial comittee. Fast forward this many years the only anger I get is how obvious it is that its just a farse but my family gets more convinced it's the truth with each change. I know there is nothing I can say or do which I have come to accept for many years. My parents will grow old and die always convinced the end is so close.

With my family I have learned that nothing you say or do will change their minds. My parents are both now gone but they went peacefully thinking this was the truth and had a hope that they will wake up in that paradise world. Who am I to take that hope away from them. Even though we had a good relationship as my parents learned toward the end of their lives to accept me for who I was.

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

William Penwell

Growing up as a dub, I am not angry at my parents as they did what they thought was the best for me. I am angry at the WT for all the lies and deception over the years that they continue. It is natural to have these feelings, just don't let those feelings distroy you. It is time to move on with your life outside of the organization.